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		<title>Comment on Liquid Democracy and the Pirate Party by fortyfoxes</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/liquid-democracy-and-the-pirate-party/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>fortyfoxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah - thanks for that Sepp - my German has got a little rusty. I\&#039;m going to be doing a series of interviews and posts about Liquid Democracy, and was looking for a good speaker to interview in the Pirate Party. I know some of the developers, but not a good spokesperson for this in the German Pirate party. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; thanks for that Sepp &#8211; my German has got a little rusty. I\&#8217;m going to be doing a series of interviews and posts about Liquid Democracy, and was looking for a good speaker to interview in the Pirate Party. I know some of the developers, but not a good spokesperson for this in the German Pirate party. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Liquid Democracy and the Pirate Party by Sepp</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/liquid-democracy-and-the-pirate-party/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Sepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 08:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to the discussion. Did not find any direct reference to liquid democracy. It was a general discussion or rather exposition of positions of the Pirate party, of its programmatic goals, with questions and comments from representatives of other parties.  
 
Those Pirate party goals include free local transport, a citizens income that is independent of whether you&#039;re rich or poor, school reforms to put more emphasis on computers, on teaching materials in electronic form and on a more loose organization of teaching.  
 
Perhaps the concept of liquid democracy is implied in the fact that the Pirates have long term goals and that - going along - they propose to figure out how to best act to get closer to those goals. 
 
In difference to other parties, the Pirates have a program of ideals to be reached, not necessarily of concrete steps to be taken right now. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the discussion. Did not find any direct reference to liquid democracy. It was a general discussion or rather exposition of positions of the Pirate party, of its programmatic goals, with questions and comments from representatives of other parties. </p>
<p>Those Pirate party goals include free local transport, a citizens income that is independent of whether you&#8217;re rich or poor, school reforms to put more emphasis on computers, on teaching materials in electronic form and on a more loose organization of teaching. </p>
<p>Perhaps the concept of liquid democracy is implied in the fact that the Pirates have long term goals and that &#8211; going along &#8211; they propose to figure out how to best act to get closer to those goals.</p>
<p>In difference to other parties, the Pirates have a program of ideals to be reached, not necessarily of concrete steps to be taken right now. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Equality, and the structure of democratic networks by Network Dynamics of the Arab Spring &#124; Parliament of Things</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/hello-world/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Network Dynamics of the Arab Spring &#124; Parliament of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to correlate the form of these networks with the form or shape of the network (as I agued for in The ethics of network topology), and to examine the qualities of the conversational links  - which I talk about in an earlier [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to correlate the form of these networks with the form or shape of the network (as I agued for in The ethics of network topology), and to examine the qualities of the conversational links  - which I talk about in an earlier [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ethics of network topology by Network Dynamics of the Arab Spring &#124; Parliament of Things</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/humanity-and-the-shape-of-networks/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Network Dynamics of the Arab Spring &#124; Parliament of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to correlate the form of these networks with the form or shape of the network (as I agued for in The ethics of network topology), and to examine the qualities of the conversational links  - which I talk about in an earlier [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to correlate the form of these networks with the form or shape of the network (as I agued for in The ethics of network topology), and to examine the qualities of the conversational links  - which I talk about in an earlier [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Equality, and the structure of democratic networks by The ethics of network topology &#124; Parliament of Things</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/hello-world/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>The ethics of network topology &#124; Parliament of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Things   diversity needs a voice    Skip to content HomeLiveSpaceInterfaceThingTheatreAbout        &#8592; Equality, and the structure of democratic networks Physical Space [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Things   diversity needs a voice    Skip to content HomeLiveSpaceInterfaceThingTheatreAbout        &larr; Equality, and the structure of democratic networks Physical Space [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speaking for the Wind by Speaking for the Wind (part 2) &#124; Parliament of Things</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/speaking-for-the-wind/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Speaking for the Wind (part 2) &#124; Parliament of Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an earlier post, I outlined some fears I had about wind power, and other forms of renewable energy based on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Token Involvement by TJBarbe</title>
		<link>http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/token-involvement/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>TJBarbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post! ;)  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! <img src='http://blog.parliamentofthings.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
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		<title>Comment on Equality, and the structure of democratic networks by P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Preferential attachment in p2p networks: is that really the issue?</title>
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		<dc:creator>P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Preferential attachment in p2p networks: is that really the issue?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Equality, and the structure of democratic networks by david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John, yes I agree that small hierarchies of groupings can promote deeper and better quality dialogue, but I think we can and do avoid some of the downside you mention (rigidity etc) using the organisational networks facilitated by social media. 
 
These scale-free networks may (as pointed out by Zeynep), have stable topologies in which some nodes have a lot of influence (this is the sort of &quot;hierarchy&quot; many people think they want to avoid), but it may well be that these nodes are more fluid. New people may take their place, and moreover may do so based on the quality of their ideas, and not their physical location, or family connections. 
 
I&#039;d go so far as to say that there are many qualities of these scale-free networks, that are very desirable from a human, aesthetic, and moral point of view when compared to a purely flat structure. I&#039;ll try to get time to make another post on that topic! 
 
There are doubtless downsides to scale-free networks in certain domains, that relate to this question of equality. For instance in economics, it is very much more clearly the case that great inequalities in the distributions of money and goods can lead to social unrest, and a degraded society. It is just that this lesson does not necessarily translate to the domain of using scale-free networks to elect representatives of policy based on nework reputation. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John, yes I agree that small hierarchies of groupings can promote deeper and better quality dialogue, but I think we can and do avoid some of the downside you mention (rigidity etc) using the organisational networks facilitated by social media.</p>
<p>These scale-free networks may (as pointed out by Zeynep), have stable topologies in which some nodes have a lot of influence (this is the sort of &quot;hierarchy&quot; many people think they want to avoid), but it may well be that these nodes are more fluid. New people may take their place, and moreover may do so based on the quality of their ideas, and not their physical location, or family connections.</p>
<p>I&#039;d go so far as to say that there are many qualities of these scale-free networks, that are very desirable from a human, aesthetic, and moral point of view when compared to a purely flat structure. I&#039;ll try to get time to make another post on that topic!</p>
<p>There are doubtless downsides to scale-free networks in certain domains, that relate to this question of equality. For instance in economics, it is very much more clearly the case that great inequalities in the distributions of money and goods can lead to social unrest, and a degraded society. It is just that this lesson does not necessarily translate to the domain of using scale-free networks to elect representatives of policy based on nework reputation. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Equality, and the structure of democratic networks by Tweets that mention Equality, and the structure of democratic networks &#124; Parliament of Things -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Equality, and the structure of democratic networks &#124; Parliament of Things -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Zeynep Tufekci, David Bovill. David Bovill said: @heathr @wildebees My first post in reply to the fab @techsoc article &quot;Can Leaderless Revolutions Stay Leaderless&quot; - http://bit.ly/igxKpR [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Zeynep Tufekci, David Bovill. David Bovill said: @heathr @wildebees My first post in reply to the fab @techsoc article &quot;Can Leaderless Revolutions Stay Leaderless&quot; &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/igxKpR" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/igxKpR</a> [...]</p>
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